| 06.22.04 - 2:16 p.m. Instead of writing an entry for you few that bother to read here, I thought I'd just include the following interesting glimpse into sister/brother MSN messenger relationships.... excuse the spelling mistakes. Names have been changed to protect the innocent and me. "phbtthh!!" is me and "freakybro" is my lovely brother... As a guide to this little conversation, *i don't know why someone would build a 6 foot deep bread oven in thier backyard, but wee know weird people *'D' is my brother's wife *the family gathering is in a very little town in newfoundland this summer, *my disease is a rare autoimmune disorder, non-contagious, etc etc *uncle joh is an infamous alcoholic in our family *richard dawkin's "the selfish gene", and Pinker's book,shit, i forget the title... To: f*********[email protected] Start Time: 12:17:42; End Time: 13:23:18 Phbthh!!says: (12:17:48) hey m****... Freakybro_says: (12:18:02) yo Phbthh!!says: (12:18:07) how are things? you still in newfie?? are you not coming to quebec then? Freakybro_says: (12:18:20) i'm back in halifax as of two days ago Phbthh!!says: (12:18:24) oh. Phbthh!!says: (12:18:30) how was the bread oven? Freakybro_says: (12:18:43) almost finished - enough for them to finish it up themselves Freakybro_says: (12:18:59) couldn't have gone any faster - it was drying time that was needed Freakybro_says: (12:19:07) actually i'm pretty impressed Freakybro_says: (12:19:28) and got to see a few people as well Phbthh!!says: (12:19:32) with the oven? Freakybro_says: (12:19:44) no - just me and i****n on that Phbthh!!says: (12:19:56) V**** stay out of it this time? Freakybro_says: (12:19:56) V***** steered clear but was otherwise very nice to me Freakybro_says: (12:19:59) yup Freakybro_says: (12:20:10) T***** came by once but just drank beer Phbthh!!says: (12:20:17) oh good... maybe she realized you weren't on their payroll Freakybro_says: (12:20:18) and shoverled cement at one point Phbthh!!says: (12:20:24) T***** is funny Freakybro_says: (12:20:25) i think so Freakybro_says: (12:20:29) indeedy Phbthh!!says: (12:21:16) i got this strange email a while back from T*****.. all about the stuff that he WAS going to do, and that was why he couldn't write the six people on the list individually Phbthh!!says: (12:21:25) odd Phbthh!!says: (12:21:36) i think you were on that list Phbthh!!says: (12:21:49) hows dee? Freakybro_says: (12:21:50) ? Phbthh!!says: (12:22:14) m*********************!!!!!! Phbthh!!says: (12:22:22) hows D?' Freakybro_says: (12:22:47) hi - i was away Freakybro_says: (12:22:52) dee is real good Phbthh!!says: (12:23:19) damn, i'm getting plastered with emails, i gotta unplug before i go insane... can only handle so many at a time... Phbthh!!says: (12:23:27) tell D i said hi. Phbthh!!says: (12:23:35) are you guys coming up this way? Phbthh!!says: (12:23:45) i was looking forward to having you guys visit Phbthh!!says: (12:24:10) i could look for some home improvement project if thats what it takes to get you here Freakybro_says: (12:24:35) i don't think anytime soon. we have two more major trips - one to this evolve festical - someone wants us to do massage there. and then theres the n****** point thing in august Freakybro_says: (12:24:50) but a trip that way would be cool - cus we could also party in montreal Phbthh!!says: (12:24:55) you are going to the n***** point thing? Freakybro_says: (12:24:58) we came back from nuphie 500 in the hole Freakybro_says: (12:25:03) we're going to hitch ike Phbthh!!says: (12:25:09) i can't, i'll be in the fiel Phbthh!!says: (12:25:12) 'field Freakybro_says: (12:25:21) if we were to go to quesbec it would be a htich thing too. Freakybro_says: (12:25:26) too bad Freakybro_says: (12:25:35) sounds like a real family get together Phbthh!!says: (12:26:09) yeah, but august is the month that i have to be here... any longer and the little fishes will swim away away away Freakybro_says: (12:26:17) gotcha Phbthh!!says: (12:26:24) and then so will my project project project Freakybro_says: (12:26:29) nawa it would be nice to go by Freakybro_says: (12:26:49) heard you were having angst with what you were doing Freakybro_says: (12:26:55) jitters Phbthh!!says: (12:27:06) yeah.. not so much angst or jitters Phbthh!!says: (12:28:08) more like..... questioning how i want to live my life,, what i would be truly happy doing, and what kind of a balence my personality would be happy in, considering work, research, and downtime Freakybro_says: (12:28:33) yeah i hear ya Phbthh!!says: (12:28:37) also disease stuff, of course, what level of stress can my body handle before breaking down' Freakybro_says: (12:28:47) good point Freakybro_says: (12:28:54) seems to be pretty resilient Phbthh!!says: (12:29:02) my disease is still a real issue for me, and i have to incorporate my disposition into that framework Freakybro_says: (12:29:09) maybe the quitting smoking might be more of a priority Freakybro_says: (12:29:16) it was easy Phbthh!!says: (12:29:26) i don't really smoke except when drinking Freakybro_says: (12:29:50) then you still smoke Phbthh!!says: (12:30:13) almost never when i'm here in quebec... most of my friends + s***** don't smoke Phbthh!!says: (12:30:36) don't get all sanctimonious on me now mark, you smoked for a long time as well, Freakybro_says: (12:30:45) yeah Freakybro_says: (12:30:50) i'm not being sancti Freakybro_says: (12:30:59) i'm saying its easy to wuit Freakybro_says: (12:31:01) quit Phbthh!!says: (12:31:20) and quitting smoking is a different thing for everybody.. you can't say "its easy" because everybody's body reacts differently to the addiction Freakybro_says: (12:31:28) i say no Freakybro_says: (12:31:35) i say people have different excuses Freakybro_says: (12:31:39) different thing Phbthh!!says: (12:31:53) that is completely ignoring basic physiology?!?!?!? Freakybro_says: (12:32:15) i don't think it plays a part - its like saying fat people have a physical problem and not a mental one Freakybro_says: (12:32:23) its mental Freakybro_says: (12:32:25) thats addiction Freakybro_says: (12:32:29) its about control Phbthh!!says: (12:32:33) anyways, i don't feel guilty about the amount that i smoke... its negligible to my overall health. Freakybro_says: (12:32:36) your brain is boss not the body Freakybro_says: (12:32:41) ok Freakybro_says: (12:33:13) i'd agree that stress is more of an issue Freakybro_says: (12:33:25) but i know what youre going thru Freakybro_says: (12:33:36) you are seeing a long line of steps to... what? Phbthh!!says: (12:33:47) fat people do have metabolisms that differ in how, and how fast they process chemical energy.... but mental is a huge contributor as well Freakybro_says: (12:33:47) thats why i can only last two more yuears in the archy thingy Freakybro_says: (12:34:35) munch munch munch "no its ok" munch munch munch "i'n keeping my body in step" munch munch munch "its not my fault really"munch munch munch Phbthh!!says: (12:34:39) BACK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND...its not the end point that bothers me, to be honest... its more that the constant level of high stress does cummulative damage to your body Phbthh!!says: (12:34:42) look at dad Phbthh!!says: (12:35:12) and for me, it gets way more obvious the affects of stress. Freakybro_says: (12:35:30) i wouldn't worry - you're an acedemic - stress goes away and you are replaced with routine very shortly Phbthh!!says: (12:35:37) i just don't see myself being happy constantly battling my body over how much i can take Freakybro_says: (12:35:42) shouldn't be a big deal soon enough Freakybro_says: (12:35:46) its just a lot of stress now Phbthh!!says: (12:35:51) that is such shit! Freakybro_says: (12:35:57) ok Freakybro_says: (12:36:03) whatever you say girl Phbthh!!says: (12:36:12) routine!!!! Freakybro_says: (12:36:14) even i**** says its true Freakybro_says: (12:36:18) sure Freakybro_says: (12:36:27) a steady stable and secure lifestyle Freakybro_says: (12:36:31) very low stress Phbthh!!says: (12:36:42) I***** doesn't have to beg for money for a research program like we do in biology Phbthh!!says: (12:36:48) its different in his field Freakybro_says: (12:37:09) its all acedemia - prehaps different slightly but overall the same thing Phbthh!!says: (12:37:49) no, it isn't all the same... biology is hugely different in the type of research, and the amount of capital required to any level of research. Freakybro_says: (12:37:55) i'm just comparing to, say a job outside of university - say a contractor Phbthh!!says: (12:38:01) I***** needs his brain Freakybro_says: (12:38:05) don't get defensice - i'm being positive Phbthh!!says: (12:38:21) how is this positive? Freakybro_says: (12:38:30) because you are worried about stress Freakybro_says: (12:38:36) and i tell you the stress will go away Freakybro_says: (12:38:47) at least it will never be the same as when people are doing a post doc Phbthh!!says: (12:38:56) but it won't for me in the academic stream Phbthh!!says: (12:39:02) biology it increases Freakybro_says: (12:39:20) every fiscal year end you will have to come up with some thing to convince others to get you money but its not going to make you loose yer mind Freakybro_says: (12:39:33) acedemia is easy street Phbthh!!says: (12:39:45) oh for fucks sake... Freakybro_says: (12:40:00) thnk about it - others out there are stressed because they are worrieda bout surviving Freakybro_says: (12:40:05) much more stress Freakybro_says: (12:40:10) i would think Freakybro_says: (12:40:13) i have it real easy Freakybro_says: (12:40:21) which is why i gotta stop Waiting for F_myfreakybro_yto accept the file "35.jpg" (15 Kb). Transfer of "35" is complete. Phbthh!!says: (12:41:15) easy street Freakybro_says: (12:41:25) indeeed Phbthh!!says: (12:41:30) you have this creative thing going... its awesome. Phbthh!!says: (12:41:35) what else would you be? Freakybro_says: (12:41:44) i dunno Waiting for F_myfreakybro_yto accept the file "A********n.JPG" (397 Kb). Freakybro_says: (12:42:07) i just finished a video - it was fun - animated - thought i would keep witht eh film thing for a while Transfer of "A*.JPG" is complete. Freakybro_says: (12:42:18) but i wanna do the bus thing Phbthh!!says: (12:42:25) this is me and d****** at holloween Phbthh!!says: (12:42:30) i was wonderwoman.... Freakybro_says: (12:42:33) thats cute Freakybro_says: (12:42:41) she was a star tekkky thing> Phbthh!!says: (12:42:44) bus thing? around the americas? Freakybro_says: (12:42:48) yeah Freakybro_says: (12:42:56) i just wanna stop this stuppoid thing Phbthh!!says: (12:43:03) i'll go if you go south... i'd love to spend a couple months surfing Freakybro_says: (12:43:19) well i figure we'll pass thru everytwhere Waiting for F_myfreakybro_yto accept the file "a.JPG" (14 Kb). Freakybro_says: (12:43:44) it seems more and more likely it will happen now = no longer a totla pipe dream anymore Phbthh!!says: (12:43:53) di you ever see this? that was me last year with your flowers on my birthday Freakybro_says: (12:43:55) i got that one Freakybro_says: (12:44:05) ma sent it Phbthh!!says: (12:44:21) its on the website here Phbthh!!says: (12:44:26) as my photo.. Freakybro_says: (12:44:27) i c Phbthh!!says: (12:44:34) they cut out the flowers though Freakybro_says: (12:44:45) what a shame Phbthh!!says: (12:44:48) i really wanted to do a trip like that too Freakybro_says: (12:44:54) flowers are purty Freakybro_says: (12:44:59) what trip Freakybro_says: (12:45:02) bus? Phbthh!!says: (12:45:09) really really really wanted to do the central america thing by bus Freakybro_says: (12:45:29) i figure i better do it before i start having a career Freakybro_says: (12:45:43) routine can suck you in without knowing it Freakybro_says: (12:45:48) one gets comfy' Phbthh!!says: (12:46:00) well, creatures are attracted to habit Phbthh!!says: (12:46:19) familiarity makes most animals comfy Freakybro_says: (12:46:23) thats obvious Waiting for F_myfreakybro_yto accept the file "Petroglyph # 4.jpg" (214 Kb). Phbthh!!says: (12:47:03) D****** sent me this.... this could have been your work in another lifetime Freakybro_says: (12:47:08) but i think of when i was most happy - and hear i only speak in terms of reality as a recolection - and it was when i was the most confused or scared or leap of building fearless Freakybro_says: (12:47:33) hee he Freakybro_says: (12:47:40) where's this? Phbthh!!says: (12:47:43) apparently they are 3000+ years old... Phbthh!!says: (12:47:48) in BC somewhere Freakybro_says: (12:47:51) ooooh Phbthh!!says: (12:48:33) well, i'm finally achieving mental balance after so many years seriously without... Freakybro_says: (12:48:40) a bunch of cavemen hanging out gettting drunk..."oog what you at there?" "i make funny face" "ha ha " general mirth and more drinking Phbthh!!says: (12:48:42) now i think of having babies Freakybro_says: (12:48:51) well someone whould have them Freakybro_says: (12:48:58) or the parents will get depressed Freakybro_says: (12:49:01) you do it Freakybro_says: (12:49:07) i can't yet Phbthh!!says: (12:49:07) you do it first Freakybro_says: (12:49:10) no you Phbthh!!says: (12:49:14) you're married! Freakybro_says: (12:49:21) yeah well your a girl Freakybro_says: (12:49:27) don't you have a iological clock Phbthh!!says: (12:49:33) well, it takes both ya know Freakybro_says: (12:49:34) tick tick Phbthh!!says: (12:49:40) yeah yeah Freakybro_says: (12:49:44) easy - theres dick everywhere Freakybro_says: (12:49:57) find one use it get rid of it Freakybro_says: (12:50:03) have baby Freakybro_says: (12:50:08) i get to be an uncle john Phbthh!!says: (12:50:10) but who will take in a poor girl and her out-of-wedlock baby ??? Freakybro_says: (12:50:11) woo woo! Freakybro_says: (12:50:30) yeah - you would be a sinner - i forgot about that Phbthh!!says: (12:50:31) i can see you as a vaguely more reasonable uncle john Freakybro_says: (12:50:47) i have ideals of surpassing him Phbthh!!says: (12:51:27) good god, just don't go the alcoholic dementia route... its painful talking to him these days.... mom can't get him on the phone sober, Phbthh!!says: (12:51:31) its just pathetic Freakybro_says: (12:51:58) i would if i could but i can't seem to hang on to any addictions. its just not me Freakybro_says: (12:52:07) i tried the alky thing Freakybro_says: (12:52:25) can't keep it up - i get ill and annoyed with the laziness and lack of progress Phbthh!!says: (12:52:31) yes, you did give it the old college try Freakybro_says: (12:52:48) and if you don't succeed Freakybro_says: (12:52:51) give up Phbthh!!says: (12:52:56) you are like a failed jack kerouac Freakybro_says: (12:53:02) exactly Freakybro_says: (12:53:07) jack was focused Phbthh!!says: (12:53:08) novella character Freakybro_says: (12:53:15) or obsessed with his image Phbthh!!says: (12:53:33) yes.. determinedly inebriated Freakybro_says: (12:53:53) liek trying to be weird Freakybro_says: (12:54:22) geez - only 2 Freakybro_says: (12:54:28) this day is too long Freakybro_says: (12:54:33) took lunch too early Phbthh!!says: (12:54:37) WE'RE FREE TO BE YOU AND ME BABY Freakybro_says: (12:54:47) wow Freakybro_says: (12:54:53) its like you are standing on a hill Phbthh!!says: (12:55:10) yelling it at you all the way from quebec? Freakybro_says: (12:55:21) thats a pleaseant image Phbthh!!says: (12:55:25) i voted yesterday Phbthh!!says: (12:55:30) have you ? Freakybro_says: (12:55:31) way to go - wate of time Freakybro_says: (12:55:35) no Freakybro_says: (12:55:40) no chance Freakybro_says: (12:55:53) i will stand on my hill.... Freakybro_says: (12:56:10) IF IT IS HUMILATING TO BE RULED HOW MORE HUMILIATING IS IT TO CHOOSE YOUR RULER? Phbthh!!says: (12:56:28) waste of time is ignoring civic responsibility and remaining ignorant of a politcal process that has deliberate and, dare i say it, insidious affect on your life Freakybro_says: (12:56:41) not if i ignore thos things Phbthh!!says: (12:56:45) how can you ignore it? Freakybro_says: (12:56:52) well first i stop paying taxes Freakybro_says: (12:56:54) step one Freakybro_says: (12:57:03) then i stop having a bank account or visa Freakybro_says: (12:57:05) step two Phbthh!!says: (12:57:13) have you stopped paying taxes? then i would say don't bother voting Freakybro_says: (12:57:25) not yet - got back too much last time Freakybro_says: (12:57:30) ti was saweeet Freakybro_says: (12:57:47) i pay them no matter what right now cus i'ma professional Phbthh!!says: (12:57:52) however, i do believe that little nagging voice in your head called MOM would freak and start yelling at you from HER hill in newfoundland if you tried that Freakybro_says: (12:57:56) part fo the silly game Freakybro_says: (12:58:10) whatever - i can't make everyone happy here Freakybro_says: (12:58:29) i'm failing to see the benefits of this collecgive nation thing Freakybro_says: (12:58:53) so i don't htink that either "candidate" is worth ruling over me so they are not worth choosing over Phbthh!!says: (12:59:00) ummmm.. medicare? Freakybro_says: (12:59:08) thats what mom says Freakybro_says: (12:59:11) i don't care about that Freakybro_says: (12:59:16) let others anjoy it Freakybro_says: (12:59:23) i don't need it Freakybro_says: (12:59:25) or want it Freakybro_says: (12:59:27) more importantly Phbthh!!says: (13:00:32) bull shit, you gonna end up some cranky man wishing there was someone there to wipe up after you at some point, blessing the fact that you paid taxes that supported such a communally responsible system Freakybro_says: (13:00:54) naw - if i have to be looked after then i wanna be dead Freakybro_says: (13:01:07) do what the indaians did Freakybro_says: (13:01:15) old people wandered off Phbthh!!says: (13:01:16) wants is not always what one gets Phbthh!!says: (13:01:24) dies of exposure? Freakybro_says: (13:01:54) yup - like a human being - not in a hospital bed or "home" with your blue vien s poking out of your sheet thin white skin Freakybro_says: (13:02:07) surrounded by white walls and idiots Freakybro_says: (13:02:16) drolling adnd pooping into bags isiots at that Freakybro_says: (13:02:36) i wanna just go and die as i want - this keeping me alive seems to lack any dignity Freakybro_says: (13:02:50) just a personal opinion Phbthh!!says: (13:03:02) nah, you'll hold on to every last moment, cause its in our nature to. animals can't fight the survival spirit very long Phbthh!!says: (13:03:23) WE ARE ANIMALS!!!! Freakybro_says: (13:03:46) sure - but being in a hospital or a home is not my idea of surviving - and yes we are animals - but we are also smart animals - i don't have to act like a dog Phbthh!!says: (13:03:53) how are you doing with the �selfish gene�? cool book huh? Freakybro_says: (13:04:11) i am smart enough to decide what is important - Freakybro_says: (13:04:11) selfish gene was fun Freakybro_says: (13:04:43) finsished a while back and gave it my boss who was going on about hsi big time biology knowledge- i wanted to shut him up Freakybro_says: (13:04:58) i was really intrigued by the simplicity of the prisoners delimma Phbthh!!says: (13:05:00) and? Phbthh!!says: (13:05:09) oh yeah, that is cool Freakybro_says: (13:05:22) i felt that sometimes he was too much feeling to the need to crap on others ina way that seemed almost low brow Phbthh!!says: (13:05:28) i loved this book, i can re-read it and always find new things Phbthh!!says: (13:05:39) yeah, he's pretty confrontational Freakybro_says: (13:05:43) and his final arguements seemed to be cyclical Freakybro_says: (13:05:50) which id din't like Phbthh!!says: (13:05:51) but, he got crapped on BIG time for the book Freakybro_says: (13:06:15) sure - no need to be attacking others tho - its more manly to just stnad by what you do Phbthh!!says: (13:06:19) people took major offence to his theory. Phbthh!!says: (13:06:38) i like the intervening chapters on basic theory the best Freakybro_says: (13:06:39) well it makes perfect sense - hjis main problem is that his arguing IS cyclical Freakybro_says: (13:07:07) you get the impression that the logic is made to fit into the thing rather then a system of deduction Freakybro_says: (13:07:15) it bothered me Freakybro_says: (13:07:31) i wish i could rememerb exactly where this bothered me Freakybro_says: (13:07:37) it was near the end Phbthh!!says: (13:07:37) have you ever read stephen jay gould? Freakybro_says: (13:07:42) nope Phbthh!!says: (13:07:46) OH MY GOD Phbthh!!says: (13:07:59) ok, i'll send you an early xmas gift.... Freakybro_says: (13:08:12) ok Phbthh!!says: (13:08:40) he's a little more intense, but his logic is very strong, and he works through stuff really well, i thnk you'll eat it up... Phbthh!!says: (13:08:56) its a slightly different topic though? Phbthh!!says: (13:08:59) that ok? Phbthh!!says: (13:09:10) still biology and evolution Phbthh!!says: (13:09:25) what is your mailing address Freakybro_says: (13:10:00) 5****** cornwallis apt 2 ****** Freakybro_says: (13:10:57) i shoudl get you to read some dum architecvture thing Freakybro_says: (13:11:08) but its all crap Freakybro_says: (13:11:14) architects are idiots Phbthh!!says: (13:11:39) i like the theory though,,, its seems so intangible, yet not, if that makes any senes Phbthh!!says: (13:11:46) sense Freakybro_says: (13:12:29) what i liked especially is that most people pronounce memes wrong - including me - and thats exactly how he saw it working anyway - taken deconstructed and redefined Phbthh!!says: (13:12:37) whereas dawkins is more laymen, and confrontational, gould is way deeper in the theory and into logical deduction... it can be thick reading for some Freakybro_says: (13:13:00) well - i'm slogging thru the pinker book now - i figure it can't get too much worse Phbthh!!says: (13:13:09) pinker book? Freakybro_says: (13:13:26) the how the mind works - honestly i can't see how momn coulda gotten thru it Phbthh!!says: (13:13:38) oh that one, i liked that one Phbthh!!says: (13:13:50) mom couldn't finish the Gould one i gave her Freakybro_says: (13:14:00) its taken awhile for the recursive logic connections to make sense Freakybro_says: (13:14:07) i didn't get it at first Phbthh!!says: (13:14:17) she said it was too thick Freakybro_says: (13:14:52) in fact the secondary step on primtive axorb logic circuits still is giving me a headache - but i want to really understand rather then gloss Freakybro_says: (13:15:01) Something is not getting thru freakybro says: (13:15:15) big breath - read again sort of thing Phbthh!!says: (13:15:30) yeah, well, its thick. Phbthh!!says: (13:15:38) books like that i love reading a couple times. Phbthh!!says: (13:15:46) it takes that to really aborb them Freakybro_says: (13:16:27) yeah - its like the quanta stuff - never really got it when i was in school Freakybro_says: (13:16:38) no prob now Phbthh!!says: (13:17:03) i only got it in university Freakybro_says: (13:17:04) looks lieka nbother play idea is in the works - thats nwe Phbthh!!says: (13:17:16) what is it this time? Freakybro_says: (13:17:22) its only taught in universoty nipplehead Phbthh!!says: (13:17:54) no, i started getting quanta stuff in my AP biology class in highschool Freakybro_says: (13:17:58) 3 screens around table in bar that independantly show people outisde that6 come in and go thru the same scene at the table it surrounds Freakybro_says: (13:18:06) hard to explain Freakybro_says: (13:18:29) everyone did a little quanta in highschool - but it was not taught correctly Phbthh!!says: (13:18:29) sounds intensively complex to pull off Freakybro_says: (13:18:46) no - just a matter of synchronizxation and practice Phbthh!!says: (13:18:49) no, i was in AP, uni course in highschool Freakybro_says: (13:18:52) could be real fun Phbthh!!says: (13:19:02) sounds neat. Freakybro_says: (13:19:10) i think it could be Phbthh!!says: (13:19:18) how was d's trip? is she exicited about school in the fall?? Freakybro_says: (13:19:40) yeah - shes feeling focused Phbthh!!says: (13:19:45) cool Freakybro_says: (13:19:59) we're going to do auditions next month for the film Phbthh!!says: (13:20:16) can i have a cameo? Freakybro_says: (13:20:22) hmmmm Freakybro_says: (13:20:57) theres only a few characters but there are crowd seens - you would have to dance Phbthh!!says: (13:21:19) ok Phbthh!!says: (13:21:25) what kind of dance? Freakybro_says: (13:21:45) rave Freakybro_says: (13:22:38) gotta go Freakybro_says: (13:22:43) tralk later Phbthh!!says: (13:23:12) alrighty Phbthh!!says: (13:23:14) later � � |